The minutes from the CCFC Stadium Forum meeting on the 31st March, 2014 are available...
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DATE: 31st March 2014 – 6.30pm – at The Quadrant Club
Sandra Garlick (Chair)
Steve Barnett (SCG Representative)
Bob Eales (CCFPA)
Mike Best (Turley Planning)
Tim Fisher (Football Club)
David Busst (SBiTC)
The proposed agenda to discuss Community and Fan Zone ideas was put on hold until a later date. Round the table introductions were made.
Mike Best from Turley Planning Consultants was invited to explain the planning application process.
- He informed us that he and the company were experienced with football clubs and their applications, and named a few he had been involved in. His company were approached last August to work beside CBRE to conduct a site search. The actual land deal is a separate process.
- They identified a number of sites. Some of the sites were on the market and some were not. Some sites were filtered out early as the landowners had other ideas. They also have looked at any issues with these sites that may come up in the planning application. They then reduced to a shortlist of 2 potential sites.
- The confidentiality of the process is not unusual and in the initial stages neither is the fact that they have not spoken to key stakeholders.
- The planning authority can take between 46 months with technical work around – highways, environment, local community, ecology, contamination etc – which are all needed for a pre-application.
Likely planning issues can be identified by knowing the planning policies of the authorities concerned and a lot of judgements can be made before going to them.
- Once the decision is made a pre-application is filed after approx 4-6 months. A planning
application, with support can take a further 3 months. Our application could take 6 months to
- There could also be a Section 106 agreement regarding offsite
matters (highways etc).
- If planning permission is refused there is right of appeal. This would take about 5 months and
possibly a public enquiry, followed by 12 months for a final decision to be reached. The plans could also be taken out of the Local Authority’s hands and be called in by The Secretary of State.
- It is estimated that planning permission, at best would take 1 year and at worst 2 years.
- The planning strategy for the 2 sites is different and in different local authority areas.
- The club has proposals from all the consultant teams working on this project. Advance discussions could be sooner rather than later.
- Both sites will initially be stadium and parking and the 2nd phase will be the Academy.
- There is great competition to purchase sites for housing, retail, industrial, commercial enterprise.
- The Ricoh is not a factor in getting planning permission.
- Obviously, it is important for the fans to support the new location.
- A Travel Plan will be a vital part and will be produced by a transport consultant.
Tim Fisher then joined the discussion.
- He gave a summary of the economic impact of the project from an Economic Impact Assessment (EIA) which has been commissioned for submission as part of the subsequent planning
- SQW undertook an assessment that looked at – construction, job creation (direct and indirect), operations, supply chain, expenditure and community impact.
- Coventry and Warwickshire has a number of areas of high levels of deprivation and a stadium will have a major impact on social inclusion, education, health.
- TF will ask Steve Waggott to attend a future meeting to show the results of the Charlton Athletic FC stadium redevelopment in terms of both community and economic impact TF then gave out information and figures from the EIA to show the impact a new stadium would have which are summarised as follows:
The figures are:
- based on the club playing at League 1/Championship level
- conservative drawing on information from the club’s last season at the Ricoh; and
- were based on the club’s initial estimate of 12,000 capacity (this is now increased)
- based on either of the two short listed locations
- will generate between £12.7m and £14.1m as a oneoff economic impact
- significant scale of ongoing employment for the operations of the stadium, club (including permanent staff and stewards, but excluding first team players), academy and SBiTC will directly employ 575 – equivalent to 174 FTE jobs.
- the net economic impact would not vary hugely between locations. For an expansion of the stadium for either location, the impact on the respective local authority areas in
headline terms are estimated at:
- location at Site 1: £129.4m
- location at Site 2: £123.6m
- The impact on the community both financially and socially will be huge.
- Of the 2 sites – one in the North and one in the South, the value was on a par. However, based on social impact, the North has higher unemployment and deprivation.
- The Head Groundsman at the club has been shown the stadium plans and is in discussion with the club on the various options to develop the pitch.
- CCFC would hope to be able to help local clubs with technical input and sports club assets as much as possible.
- As far as the purchase of the land is concerned – they are looking at 2 sites but won’t go down one road and will pursue both sites in parallel.
- The locations will be kept confidential at this time as it is commercially sensitive.
- Heads of Terms are agreed on 1 site and they are still talking to the 2nd site owner.
- The proposal to stay at Sixfields has been agreed by the FL. The FL have also asked for details about this forum, stadium development communication to fans and will maybe pay a visit to a meeting at a later date.
- Season Ticket campaign begins on 14th April 2014.
- There is a 3 year business plan + a further 2 years that can be added.
- On the ideas so far TF loves the stadium ideas around capturing and presenting the history of the club. Over the next few weeks the architect will collect all of the ideas/requirements and sift through them. Non match day use of the ground needs to be fed in too.
- TF has spent time with Brentford and he will send the committee a link to their plans. Isleworth Council committed £11 million community spend to the club.
- There then followed a general discussion around Sixfields and the new stadium.
- SG will circulate information/suggestions that she had received for today’s proposed agenda and also a diary date for a future open meeting.
Date of next meeting: – TBA (due to the Easter Holidays this is likely to take place after the end of the season, in early May)
Meeting closed at 8.15pm.